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Arnie Sabatelli's avatar

I did a podcast episode on Hemingway’s “Hills Like White Elephants,” in which a man tries to convince a pregnant woman to have an abortion. If one can put aside all the seeming anti-feminist baggage affiliated with him, I think the story is in dialogue with many of the ideas you present here. My very short take on the story is that the woman sees the world associatively/non-rationally, as an artist, who views the world as pregnant with meaning, whereas the man can only see the rational dimensions of experience. The podcast is Hemingway Word for Word, if you’re interested. But it strikes me that despite what is often said about him, Hemingway goes beyond just borrowing a female experience to use as a tidy representation of art.

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Kathryn Vercillo's avatar

So much good stuff here to think about! I am a former foster mother and was often a mother figure to my younger siblings but I don't have biological birth children and have no children in the home ... so my own relationship with motherhood is already complex and then I bring that to the question of whether I not I see my writing as my "baby." This gives such great historical context for a variety of perspectives. Love it.

In reading what you shared about Wroth, I immediately thought about Frida Kahlo. Her intense self-portraiture of body trauma including miscarriages is so powerful and I'm sure there was catharsis in creating it and claiming her own narrative around it.

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